Position 66: National Musket Team Matches in 2 Relays?

by Mike Kendra on November 1, 2009

musket_matchI was going through my paperwork from the fall Nationals and I read a note from my regional commander about stuff coming up for next year. One note kind of surprised me, the suggestion that team musket matches may be scheduled in the future in two phases of two relays.

It’s an interesting suggestion.

I decided to look into the viability of the idea.

There are 66 positions* on the range, 2 phases of two relays would allow 264 musket teams to compete.

Checking the 120th National Skirmish results, there were a total of 220 teams competing, so yes, the math would work, although there would only be room add 44 teams if there was any expansion in the organization. (230 musket teams shot at the 115th National, I wonder what the max number of teams was?)

Lets look at the advantages and disadvantages of this new idea:

  • Phase 1 would be shorter and complete earlier
  • Phase 2 would be shorter and start earlier
  • Phase 2 would be complete much earlier
  • Each event would be completed more than 33% quicker
  • Less teams could shoot on the first phase, forcing some teams to shoot on the second phase
  • Limits the ability to expand beyond 264 musket teams

I like the idea, but I’m not sure how the organization would respond to the idea. What do you think?

(FYI: this is the first article in a series of articles that I think are “out there”, I’m calling the series “Position 66″)

* as per this document from the 116th National: http://www.n-ssa.org/NATIONAL/116th/Musket.pdf

(updated to reflect correct number of positions)

{ 7 comments… read them below or add one }

gerg November 2, 2009 at 8:50 am

Sounds like a good idea in theory, especially for teams that travel some distance. Question though; how would you handle units with three teams please? Just curious.

Mike Kendra November 2, 2009 at 12:51 pm

I’m not sure there would be any problem with putting an A team, a B team, and a C team on different positions. I’ve never shot with a unit that had three teams, what advantage would there be to being on the same position?

Phil Spaugy November 2, 2009 at 1:45 pm

In the MW Region there are times that we will have 3 companies from one unit competing [especially in the carbine or smoothbore events], so we will assign them to adjoining positions, but not on the same rely as another company from their unit.

SteveLight November 15, 2009 at 5:44 pm

I have made a motion at the BOD meeting for the past years to shoot the musket match in two relays for each phase. The motion has been tabled two times. I will make the motion again in January. At the 120th Nationals, the number of teams that actually shot were: Phase 1, 1st relay-59 teams, 2nd relay-47 teams. and 3rd relay-49 teams. For the 2nd Phase, the number of teams that shot were: Relay 1-34 teams, and Relay 2-30 teams. The total number of teams shooting at the 120th National were 219 teams and the capacity that could shoot if you held four relays is: 4x 65 = 260.

Mike M. November 23, 2009 at 9:58 am

Kindly note also that the host teams don’t shoot…which effectively raises the number of units that the range could support even further.

John Crump November 29, 2009 at 10:38 pm

I know this will ruffle some feathers but this idea of two relays for both phases of the musket match would would have no opposition if the Musket match was shot on Saturday instead of Sunday. The Carbine and Artillery matches should be moved to Sunday. Another plus is that the big dogs (musket champions) would have a little more time to savor their victory rather than being handed their medals while no one is left on the property.–JC

Harry Waugh December 21, 2009 at 6:38 pm

I have advocated for both Carbine and Musket to be two phases and two relays for years, all to no avail. I appreciate Steve Light in his continuing effort to have powers to be reconsider this request. I believe if we tried it once shooters would appreciate the practicality of such a move. Three relays often takes a shooter out of any rhythm and concentration he might have in the match. I could go on and on over the pros for such a move, but I’ll leave it for now.

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